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Thank you.
Monday, September 20, 2010
Sunday, September 19, 2010
The benefits of joining Licking County Open Carry Club today
Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail. - Emerson
In these times open carriers are indeed creating a trail, rather than just following the path.
We at LCOCC have no real ambition of becoming the largest gun rights organization on the block, just an effective one for our cause. We would rather have a small group of people who actually are willing to make positive progress in the area of open carry and gun rights in general than a large group of people willing to do nothing.
Below are just some of the benefits of joining LCOCC.
1. We do not have membership dues. We are not about money.
2. Our group members are active in other gun rights organizations besides LCOCC. This is important because it keeps us up on relevant current events across Ohio and the United States.
3. It is a chance to socialize with like minded people. Even if you are on gun forums it is nice to not just be a name on a message board. We are real people with families, concerns etc. just like you.
4. We can have a positive effect on the community and also break the stereotype of gun owners.
5. We help you overcome the fear that may stop you from OCing in the first place. We have discovered there are a lot of people wanting to OC but quite frankly are afraid to do it. Many fear a negative reaction from the local police. Our members have done plenty to let the local law enforcement know that not only that OC is legal, but any harassment will literally be under the microscope of thousands in the 2A activist community and as a group we will not stand for our rights being trampled.
If you would like more info, drop us a line and a good time to contact you.
In these times open carriers are indeed creating a trail, rather than just following the path.
We at LCOCC have no real ambition of becoming the largest gun rights organization on the block, just an effective one for our cause. We would rather have a small group of people who actually are willing to make positive progress in the area of open carry and gun rights in general than a large group of people willing to do nothing.
Below are just some of the benefits of joining LCOCC.
1. We do not have membership dues. We are not about money.
2. Our group members are active in other gun rights organizations besides LCOCC. This is important because it keeps us up on relevant current events across Ohio and the United States.
3. It is a chance to socialize with like minded people. Even if you are on gun forums it is nice to not just be a name on a message board. We are real people with families, concerns etc. just like you.
4. We can have a positive effect on the community and also break the stereotype of gun owners.
5. We help you overcome the fear that may stop you from OCing in the first place. We have discovered there are a lot of people wanting to OC but quite frankly are afraid to do it. Many fear a negative reaction from the local police. Our members have done plenty to let the local law enforcement know that not only that OC is legal, but any harassment will literally be under the microscope of thousands in the 2A activist community and as a group we will not stand for our rights being trampled.
If you would like more info, drop us a line and a good time to contact you.
Monday, September 13, 2010
Businesses in Newark Ohio and throughout Licking county that are anti carry
I will be listing some of them here, but I am leaving the comments section open. Please list any business that is anti carry.
They have the right to ban guns & we have the right to take our money elsewhere. You may tell your story, list names addresses or whatever. Thanks, Don.
They have the right to ban guns & we have the right to take our money elsewhere. You may tell your story, list names addresses or whatever. Thanks, Don.
How to handle police encounters while open carrying
When you open carry a lot, you run the risk of an encounter with a cops. This does not necessarily have to be a bad thing & believe it or not, there are pro 2A cops out there, however when it comes to OC, they seem to be far & few in between and a lot of cops simply are against it.
If you encounter the police, the goal is simply to get on with your business without being victimized.
You need to decide ahead of time how you will handle yourself in an encounter, especially when the cop is fishing for something to charge you with. Are you simply going to say yes Sir a lot, fork over your ID without protesting & allow them to frisk you and risk getting charged with something, or are you going to exercise your rights? Now is the time to decide.
I can tell you from first hand experience, talking to cops I know and reading several web forums, comments to the police like "I know my rights" instantly angers them and they take it as a challenge. While there are many good guys in uniform out there, the job by its very nature seem to attract guys who are on a power trip, so you don't want to challenge their egos, but at the same time you want to assert your rights as a citizen of this great country.
First rule (I learned the hard way) is be nice, never physically resist and do not argue even if the officer is being rude or is totally ignorant about Ohio gun laws. Our laws are complex and we gun carriers spend a lot of time going over the finer details of the law and many of us are more informed than the local police, so keep this in mind. This is not a slam on the police, just a fact. Our goal is not to try to make the cops look stupid nor bait them for a civil rights violation.
When approached, rather than answer their questions, ask your own, simply say something to the effect of " Am I free to go, or am I being detained?" If he says you are not being detained, leave. Remember, the police is not your friend, their only interest in stopping you is to find something to charge you with. You may be stopped for OCing only to be charged with something else.
Second, when asked for an ID, do not automatically hand it over. There is no law that says you are required to carry an actual ID card unless you are CCing & we are talking about OCing, and actually you only have to ID yourself if the police actually have RAS ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_suspicion ) to begin with for stopping you, which they will always claim they do, so just tell them your name & address then ask for a lawyer and shut up. Under the threat of arrest as I once was for not producing an ID card, it's a personal call. Looking back, I wish I would have let them arrest me out of principal.
If they do a pat down, say "I do not consent to searches". This may help later IF you are arrested or charged with something. Your lawyer can help with this later.
More than likely you will be allowed to go after they have taken up some of your time and chewed you out a bit. Actual arrests while they do happen, are rare.
I suggest spending time on http://flexyourrights.org/ and learn as much as you can about the 4A. It is very important.
Also carry some form of digital recorder. This is critical. That way it is not your word againt the cops later. Do this even if you do not even carry a gun if you even think you may have a police encounter.
Again, be nice, but stand firm on your rights, they are what separates us from the rest of the world. Again, the goal is to simply go about your lawful business, and educate the public about open carry, not argue with the police.
If you encounter the police, the goal is simply to get on with your business without being victimized.
You need to decide ahead of time how you will handle yourself in an encounter, especially when the cop is fishing for something to charge you with. Are you simply going to say yes Sir a lot, fork over your ID without protesting & allow them to frisk you and risk getting charged with something, or are you going to exercise your rights? Now is the time to decide.
I can tell you from first hand experience, talking to cops I know and reading several web forums, comments to the police like "I know my rights" instantly angers them and they take it as a challenge. While there are many good guys in uniform out there, the job by its very nature seem to attract guys who are on a power trip, so you don't want to challenge their egos, but at the same time you want to assert your rights as a citizen of this great country.
First rule (I learned the hard way) is be nice, never physically resist and do not argue even if the officer is being rude or is totally ignorant about Ohio gun laws. Our laws are complex and we gun carriers spend a lot of time going over the finer details of the law and many of us are more informed than the local police, so keep this in mind. This is not a slam on the police, just a fact. Our goal is not to try to make the cops look stupid nor bait them for a civil rights violation.
When approached, rather than answer their questions, ask your own, simply say something to the effect of " Am I free to go, or am I being detained?" If he says you are not being detained, leave. Remember, the police is not your friend, their only interest in stopping you is to find something to charge you with. You may be stopped for OCing only to be charged with something else.
Second, when asked for an ID, do not automatically hand it over. There is no law that says you are required to carry an actual ID card unless you are CCing & we are talking about OCing, and actually you only have to ID yourself if the police actually have RAS ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_suspicion ) to begin with for stopping you, which they will always claim they do, so just tell them your name & address then ask for a lawyer and shut up. Under the threat of arrest as I once was for not producing an ID card, it's a personal call. Looking back, I wish I would have let them arrest me out of principal.
If they do a pat down, say "I do not consent to searches". This may help later IF you are arrested or charged with something. Your lawyer can help with this later.
More than likely you will be allowed to go after they have taken up some of your time and chewed you out a bit. Actual arrests while they do happen, are rare.
I suggest spending time on http://flexyourrights.org/ and learn as much as you can about the 4A. It is very important.
Also carry some form of digital recorder. This is critical. That way it is not your word againt the cops later. Do this even if you do not even carry a gun if you even think you may have a police encounter.
Again, be nice, but stand firm on your rights, they are what separates us from the rest of the world. Again, the goal is to simply go about your lawful business, and educate the public about open carry, not argue with the police.
Friday, September 10, 2010
Do police need open carry education or just to lose the tude?
Generally speaking are the police simply uninformed on the issue of open carry and the legalities, or do they simply believe they are the only ones who should be allowed to open carry (or carry at all as far as that goes) and not us "subjects"?
Both, but mainly they just need to lose the attitude.
I recently ran across this thread at http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?151846-Open-Carry-FAIL on officer.com and it came as no surprise that many of these LEO where not only against open carry but downright hostile toward it. Unfortunately many cops have an "us against them mentality" and spend their time trampling our rights rather than defending them.
I believe the only thing that is going to overcome this is simply more people open carry in their daily routine. Not only will this normalize open carry in the eyes of the sheeple, but as more people do it, the police harassment will be exposed for what it simply is, and will cease. I am going to be posting on how to protect yourself from the police.
So is it an education thing or an attitude thing? Perhaps both, but there is no doubt that many police are anti open carry which means they are an enemy of freedom, our enemies, enemies of the very people they are paid to protect & serve. This will change as more and more people open carry.
Both, but mainly they just need to lose the attitude.
I recently ran across this thread at http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?151846-Open-Carry-FAIL on officer.com and it came as no surprise that many of these LEO where not only against open carry but downright hostile toward it. Unfortunately many cops have an "us against them mentality" and spend their time trampling our rights rather than defending them.
I believe the only thing that is going to overcome this is simply more people open carry in their daily routine. Not only will this normalize open carry in the eyes of the sheeple, but as more people do it, the police harassment will be exposed for what it simply is, and will cease. I am going to be posting on how to protect yourself from the police.
So is it an education thing or an attitude thing? Perhaps both, but there is no doubt that many police are anti open carry which means they are an enemy of freedom, our enemies, enemies of the very people they are paid to protect & serve. This will change as more and more people open carry.
Open Carry Meet At Stacey's Homestyle Buffet Sat. 9/18 8:30AM
We will be meeting at Stacy's Homestyle Buffet Sat. morning for breakfast.
The have great food and a very nice clean environment.
Stacy's is located at 833 South 30th St. in Heath.
The have great food and a very nice clean environment.
Stacy's is located at 833 South 30th St. in Heath.
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